Engineering Degrees by Institution
pauldirac
6/13/2014
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New data from the Board of Governors, for
2012-13:
UF 2.230
UCF 1,112
USF 722
FIU 604
FSU 327
FAU 271
UNF 121
FGCU 67
UWF 51
FAMU 41
It is discouraging to see FSU is 5th in the state in the production of engineering degrees -- an important accountability measure for the BOG allocation of new state dollars. It is even more disappointing to see that to become the 3rd or 4th most productive program in the state a doubling of faculty and students would probably be required. FAMU is dead last in the production of engineering degrees, behind UWF and even FGCU.
The data speak for themselves: Compared to other universities in the SUS, FSU and FAMU's engineering programs are rather trivial and there is substantial room for growth (basically a doubling of students and faculty from where we are now) if either is to ever be considered in the top 3 in the state on this important STEM data point.
Also it is interesting to look at the race data, specifically the training of black engineers. Here are the universities ranked by the training of black engineering, based on degrees in engineering awarded to black students in 2012-13:
UF 82
UCF 53
USF 49
FIU 45
FAMU 31
FSU 22
FGCU 6
UWF 3
UNF 3
It is hard to justify FAMU having a special mission of producing black engineers at a higher cost per student than any other program in the state, especially when it produces only 10% of the black engineers receiving degrees in the state and when most other universities with engineering programs equal or exceed FAMU's contribution on this front. "
UF 2.230
UCF 1,112
USF 722
FIU 604
FSU 327
FAU 271
UNF 121
FGCU 67
UWF 51
FAMU 41
It is discouraging to see FSU is 5th in the state in the production of engineering degrees -- an important accountability measure for the BOG allocation of new state dollars. It is even more disappointing to see that to become the 3rd or 4th most productive program in the state a doubling of faculty and students would probably be required. FAMU is dead last in the production of engineering degrees, behind UWF and even FGCU.
The data speak for themselves: Compared to other universities in the SUS, FSU and FAMU's engineering programs are rather trivial and there is substantial room for growth (basically a doubling of students and faculty from where we are now) if either is to ever be considered in the top 3 in the state on this important STEM data point.
Also it is interesting to look at the race data, specifically the training of black engineers. Here are the universities ranked by the training of black engineering, based on degrees in engineering awarded to black students in 2012-13:
UF 82
UCF 53
USF 49
FIU 45
FAMU 31
FSU 22
FGCU 6
UWF 3
UNF 3
It is hard to justify FAMU having a special mission of producing black engineers at a higher cost per student than any other program in the state, especially when it produces only 10% of the black engineers receiving degrees in the state and when most other universities with engineering programs equal or exceed FAMU's contribution on this front. "
"Actually, to me the numbers show that it is not only
FAMU holding FSU back. Even if you ended the partnership with FAMU tomorrow FSU
would need to immediately double its investment in engineering to be in the top
4 programs in the state in degree production. Are we prepared to do that? Why
have we seen no discussions or votes by the FSU trustees or plans by an FSU
president to help FSU expand to have one of the stronger engineering programs in
the state - maybe by offering new engineering degree programs entirely on our
own dime and without FAMU? For example, with leadership could FSU take $5
million of its preeminence money and hire 20 new faculty for an energy
engineering and aerospace engineering programs on it's own? The courses they
offer would be outside of the existing engineering college and would have
nothing to do with it. Let's just start from scratch and we can build a better
program than we have in 4-5 years if we commit out preeminence money to it.
What's stopping us from doing that, and wouldn't that be a better use of
resources than the current plan, to put an "entrepreneur" in every college for
about the same cost? After years of seeing no real progress on this front I'm
starting to think the problem is a lack of vision and leadership at FSU as much
as anything else. Blaming FAMU does not excuse a lack of vision and leadership
from our administration, including Barron and Stokes and their predecessors, as
well as the current trustees."
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Link: http://news.ufl.edu/2014/06/06/uf-recruits-faculty-preeminence-hiring/ "
Whatever we invest we should do on our own, and just
call the program an applied science and engineering program through our own
campus, not the existing college of engineering. If we started from scratch and
made it a priority in 5 years we could build a better and more significant
program than the current engineering college -- it really would not be that
difficult but it requires our administration to commit resources.
Preeminence money gives us the resources to do that if we want to make it a priority, yet other than hiring a handful of materials faculty I don't see any effort to make a significant push forward on this front - the administration has been more interested in taking the preeminence money and spreading it across all colleges rather than focusing on making strategic investments in the engineering areas a priority for example.
UF seems to be taking a very different and more aggressive approach to this BTW, investing almost every dollar of its preeminence money in hiring in strategic areas with engineering getting more of this money than any other area on campus. This includes building new departments in engineering from scratch (such as the computer science group it just hired from Clemson). More than 1/3 of its preeminence hires so far are in engineering, mostly senior hires. Meanwhile, FSU is basically hiring a few extra assistant professors and giving every college on campus a so-called "entrepreneur" hire? Sorry, for a university that claims to be preeminent we look underwhelming right now and don't have much ambition, strategic focus or direction in our investments. I'd love to see FSU make a serious push forward with its preeminence resources by investing in at least a dozen senior faculty in engineering fields, as UF has.
This post was edited on 6/13 2:19 PM by pauldirac
Preeminence money gives us the resources to do that if we want to make it a priority, yet other than hiring a handful of materials faculty I don't see any effort to make a significant push forward on this front - the administration has been more interested in taking the preeminence money and spreading it across all colleges rather than focusing on making strategic investments in the engineering areas a priority for example.
UF seems to be taking a very different and more aggressive approach to this BTW, investing almost every dollar of its preeminence money in hiring in strategic areas with engineering getting more of this money than any other area on campus. This includes building new departments in engineering from scratch (such as the computer science group it just hired from Clemson). More than 1/3 of its preeminence hires so far are in engineering, mostly senior hires. Meanwhile, FSU is basically hiring a few extra assistant professors and giving every college on campus a so-called "entrepreneur" hire? Sorry, for a university that claims to be preeminent we look underwhelming right now and don't have much ambition, strategic focus or direction in our investments. I'd love to see FSU make a serious push forward with its preeminence resources by investing in at least a dozen senior faculty in engineering fields, as UF has.
This post was edited on 6/13 2:19 PM by pauldirac
Link: http://news.ufl.edu/2014/06/06/uf-recruits-faculty-preeminence-hiring/ "
"Or is student interest in the program limited because we
don't offer the scope or quality or other programs in the state? I really don't
think music majors or business or sociology or criminal justice majors will
magically switch to engineering just because an affiliation with FAMU ends. This
is about recruiting a new kind of student to FSU's campus in the first place.
One approach is to wait and hope FAMU goes away but does anyone think that's really likely any more?
And even if you thin that affiliation will end in the meantime how should FSU invest it's preeminence money - do we really have the luxury to ignore that UF intends to use that same money to hire a dozen senior engineering faculty a year for the next several years, while FSU is hiring "entrepreneurs" in human sciences, creative writing, music, socIal sciences?
We need to step back and take a look at the bigger picture and get serious if we really want to be considered as "preeminent." We cannot continue to blame others and meander when other state universities are investing state resources and delivering in key area like STEM and we are not."
One approach is to wait and hope FAMU goes away but does anyone think that's really likely any more?
And even if you thin that affiliation will end in the meantime how should FSU invest it's preeminence money - do we really have the luxury to ignore that UF intends to use that same money to hire a dozen senior engineering faculty a year for the next several years, while FSU is hiring "entrepreneurs" in human sciences, creative writing, music, socIal sciences?
We need to step back and take a look at the bigger picture and get serious if we really want to be considered as "preeminent." We cannot continue to blame others and meander when other state universities are investing state resources and delivering in key area like STEM and we are not."
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