Thursday, June 15, 2023

FSU ranks 15th nationally among public schools in athletics revenue; 2nd in ACC

 

FSU ranks 15th nationally among public schools in athletics revenue; 2nd in ACC

Florida State’s athletic department generated the 15th most revenue nationally among public schools, according to a USA Today report that compiled each Division I program’s athletic spending in a database that was released Tuesday.

FSU generated $161,141,884 for the 2022 fiscal year to rank second in the ACC behind No 14 Virginia (about $162 million). 

Among ACC schools, while FSU is second, it would have would rank No. 6 in the Big Ten and No. 7 in the SEC, showing the discrepancy in growing revenue between the bigger conferences and the ACC.

In-state rival Florida reported revenue of over $190 million, nearly $30 million more than Florida State.

For FSU, the revenue is the highest since 2018 when it recorded a revenue of $168,177,850.

The Seminoles athletic department pulled in $129,481,351 in 2020 and $152,757,883 in 2019.

The biggest notable gain for FSU was in rights/licensing, where it brought in a new record of $65,815,245, compared to the previous high of $57,527,347 (2019).


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2023/06/14/sec-big-ten-2-billion-athletics-revenue-power-five/70313053007/

Using median values for their schools’ revenues, rather than the averages, the conferences ranked in the following order:

SEC: $159.1 million.

Big Ten: $150.1 million.

ACC: $134.4 million.

Pac-12: $117 million.


https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/board/36/Contents/fsus-athletic-department-generates-highest-revenue-since-201718-211577411/?page=1


FSU operated with $150,777,734 in expenses, meaning the athletic program should’ve finished well within the black based on those figures. The ACC, per the report, had a median revenue of $134.4 million which ranked third behind the SEC ($159.1 million) and the Big Ten ($150.1 million).

The revenue growth for FSU in 2021-22 was significant from the previous cycle, which was to be expected as the $129,743,001 department revenue (per Sportico.com) was accumulated during the pandemic. Still, the revenue was the highest for FSU since 2017-18 ($168,177,850).

FSU’s football program operated under $54,558,109 of expenses vs. $77,804,570 of revenue. That revenue for football also represented the highest amount since the 2017-18 fiscal year when the program had $94,991,411 in revenue. 

One other noteworthy development was the amount of money FSU generated from Licensing and Ads, which was at $24,428,412 in revenue for the most recent fiscal year per Sportico. This is an initiative that athletic director Michael Alford has taken to gross more money for the athletic department, and the program is generating significantly more in this area than it has in prior years.

https://www.on3.com/teams/florida-state-seminoles/news/florida-state-ranks-15th-nationally-among-public-schools-in-athletics-revenue-2nd-in-acc/

From a national perspective, FSU’s revenue would rank No. 6 in the Big Ten and No. 7 in the SEC. Of course, those conference schools receive much more money from their television and media contracts.

Here’s a look at where the ACC schools and some other notables rank:

Nat’l Rank – SchoolRevenue (FY2022)Expenses (FY2022)
14. Virginia$161,916,231$150,584,173
15. Florida State$161,141,884$150,777,734
17. Clemson$158,283,618$143,356,820
23. Louisville$146,225,965$139,978,927
32. North Carolina$122,603,567$120,314,967
38. Virginia Tech$113,000,052$117,777,441
44. Georgia Tech$106,635,094$104,719,581
48. N.C. State$102,387,569$100,991,410
Other notable programs
1. Ohio State$251,615,345$225,733,418
3. Alabama$214,365,357$195,881,911
5. Georgia$203,048,566$169,026,503
8. Florida$190,417,139$174,365,070
For Fiscal Year 2022; only includes public institutions
FSU AD Revenue, 2005-22

FSU Revenue and Revenue Sources: 2005-2022

YearTotal RevenueTicket SalesContributionsRights / LicensingStudent FeesSchool FundsOther
2022$161,141,884$18,773,797$42,279,406$65,815,245$8,691,672$13,597,540$11,984,224
2020$129,481,351$17,341,676$37,215,952$47,481,397$8,743,772$6,010,649$12,687,905
2019$152,757,883$20,347,512$40,308,148$57,527,347$8,431,335$7,175,684$18,967,857
2018$168,177,850$24,414,864$55,886,370$46,070,530$8,493,715$0$33,312,371
2017$144,514,413$25,046,047$41,504,734$36,709,768$8,446,443$0$32,807,421
2016$113,754,314$20,206,022$32,382,845$36,140,389$8,364,645$0$16,660,413
2015$120,822,522$26,169,018$25,265,420$49,576,951$8,287,769$0$11,523,364
2014$104,774,474$25,550,753$22,521,553$40,493,922$7,980,366$0$8,227,880
2013$91,382,441$20,302,766$18,894,097$36,775,949$7,859,734$0$7,549,895
2012$100,049,444$20,379,815$31,000,624$36,511,620$7,778,861$0$4,378,524
2011$78,575,788$17,980,170$19,302,120$27,432,139$7,528,006$0$6,333,353
2010$74,402,269$15,775,516$23,245,513$25,882,320$6,919,449$350,000$2,229,471
2009$74,417,324$18,260,626$25,572,654$25,722,130$6,772,105$700,000$0
2008$73,458,494$13,393,780$25,190,569$24,348,076$6,590,629$0$3,935,440
2007$77,257,845$15,279,152$22,751,726$21,719,651$6,066,563$350,000$11,090,753
2006$67,012,792$13,260,770$16,053,230$19,523,617$6,011,806$350,000$11,813,369
2005$56,576,933$12,709,321$16,414,490$17,166,315$4,796,773$0$5,490,034

What's Up?

Rights & Licensing hit an all-time high for Florida State, paying out nearly $66 million in 2022. The school itself decided to kick in another $13.6 million to help out the athletic department, too.

What's Down?

After years of mediocre-to-bad football, it's not surprising that ticket sales were down (about $6 million below 2018 figures and almost $8 million below 2015). That will likely change in 2023 now that the Noles are back in the double-digit wins. Contributions were down from the 2018 high, but still very good from a historic standpoint. Whatever's in the "other" category, the Noles got a lot less of it in 2022 (down $22 million from 2018 and $7 million less than 2019).

Prognosis

Rights & Licensing will hold at the new level, and ticket sales will get back up to previous levels. The school funds will probably revert to a lower amount, roughly cancelling out the increased ticket sales (if I had to guess). All things considered, I'd look for FSU to be back in the $160 to $170 million range again by the end of the 2023 fiscal year. It should be noted that the last time the Noles won the national title, they did it with $70 million less revenue... [I welcome comments from Seminole fans]


Saturday, June 10, 2023

Longest AP Poll Streaks in NCAA History

 


Thursday, June 8, 2023

FSU History College of Journalism/Law/Engineering


FSU College of Engineering

1970s

1972

FSU’s College of Engineering Sciences closes.


The college was approved as The Joint Institute of Engineering on February 11, 1982, but presidents Smith (FAMU) and Sliger (FSU) wanted enrollment to begin and classes to start in August of that same year. The initial faculty—cobbled from other departments across the two universities—was excited, worked hard, and were dedicated to the Institute’s success. However, a lot of people were cynical. They thought this unheard-of collaboration would never work. Well, the facts show they were wrong. The college survived and developed into a research powerhouse with world-renowned centers and research affiliations, all the while achieving extraordinary accomplishments in the advancement of African-Americans and women in engineering.


It began in the fall of 1982 with just 35 students scattered across two university campuses. From those humble beginnings, the Florida A&M University-Florida State University College of Engineering, now academic home to more than 2,300 students and a state-of-the-art facility, is celebrating its 25th anniversary as a unique center of academic achievement in the nation. “The college was an experiment that had never been tried before: a collaboration between a Research I university and a historically black college that was focused mainly on undergraduate education,” says Ching-Jen “Marty” Chen, who has served as dean of the College of Engineering since 1992. “That we have not only survived, but thrived, for 25 years certainly is a cause for celebration.” The College of Engineering wasn’t FSU’s first foray into the field. Engineering studies got their start at FSU in 1959 with the creation of a new department of engineering science. The department later was upgraded to the School of Engineering Science. However, economic concerns (Sure Jan), coupled with cutbacks in the U.S. space program and a surplus of engineers in the state, led FSU administrators to eliminate the program in 1972. By the late 1970s, engineering education in Florida once again needed a boost—and both FSU and FAMU stepped forward with proposals to launch their own colleges of engineering. Ultimately, the state Board of Regents, which oversaw Florida’s public universities, recommended an innovative and cost-saving approach: establishing a joint engineering college that benefited from FSU’s research capabilities while also reflecting FAMU’s commitment to increasing career opportunities for women and minorities within the engineering profession


A law school was originally established at Florida A&M in the 1950s during the presidency of George W. Gore Jr. to avoid integration at the University of Florida’s law school. Florida’s Board of Regents decided to open a law school at FSU in 1968; because of a law saying courses could not be duplicated between the two schools, FAMU’s law school was eliminated.

The School of Journalism and the FAMU-FSU Joint Institute of Engineering were established in 1982. After a state mandate outlawed the duplication of programs at FAMU and FSU, FAMU gained an industrial arts program but lost its home economics department.


Also in the 1960s came the closing of the FAMU Law School, established in 1949. The state cited financial reasons for closing the school, but only a few years later, granted a law program at FSU. The turn of events created much bitterness and tension between the two schools, and left FAMU with little confidence in the state government’s ability to protect its interests and identity.

By 1959, the physics department at FSU had spawned many new scientific programs, including the Department of Engineering Science. By 1972, though, economic concerns coupled with space program cutbacks and a surplus of engineers in Florida led FSU to eliminate the engineering program. In 1976, FAMU established a new College of Science and Technology with a division of industrial and engineering technology. By the late 1970s studies showed that engineering education in Florida needed boosting and both FAMU and FSU were eager to help. Between 1981-1982, both FAMU and FSU submitted proposals to the Board of Regents for engineering programs. Neither proposal was accepted, and the legislature could not avoid the obvious conflict of the universities’ proximity to each other and the tensions that would arise if one were chosen over the other. Many saw the great potential in two universities like FAMU and FSU collaborating. Both universities soon understood that if they wanted engineering, they must work together.


Florida State University Colleges and Schools History

School of Journalism 1950 (Closed in 1959)
School of Engineering Science 1963 (Closed in 1972)
College of Law 1966 
FAMU/FSU College of Engineering 1981



In 1949, the Florida State School of Journalism was established. Roughly a decade later the Board of Controls (now the Board of Regents) decided to eliminate the school. The reasons for this are sketchy at best and not well documented. The official reason was to eliminate "duplication" (at the time UF also had a School of Journalism).

The Tallahassee Democrat wrote on this subject back in 1973 calling for the reinstatement of the FSU School of Journalism. An Opportunity for FSU.


FAMU was later granted a College of Journalism.


Monday, June 5, 2023

All Time Win Percentage

 

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-footballs-top-15-all-time-winningest-programs-by-winning-205032287/#2111323


11. FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES

(Photo: Doug Benc, Getty)

Winning percentage: .664 (575 wins, 286 losses, 18 ties)

Games played: 879 (total adjusted by the NCAA)

The word: From Bobby Bowden to Jimbo Fisher, Florida State's had a nationally-dominant program for a couple decades prior to recent struggles. But after Mike Norvell's first 10-win season in 2022, the Seminoles appear to be on the up and up once again as a conference championship and playoff title threat. During FSU's fall from grace as the ACC's top program, Clemson has managed to reach the throne and Dabo Swinney's Tigers is currently the team the Seminoles are chasing at the top of their own league.



Thursday, June 1, 2023

6 Schools invited to AAU (USF, Miami & ND to AAU)









 US News doesn't matter for AAU membership.


New members and FSU:
18 Notre Dame
55 Florida State
55 Miami
62 George Washington
89 UC Riverside
97 USF
121 Arizona State

We are at the higher end of the list per IS News but had zero chance of being invited to the AAU today.

Other AAU schools who are below FSU in US News ranking but perform better than FSU in research:

62 Minnesota
62 Pitt
67 Texas A&M
72 Indiana
77 Michigan State
77 Penn State
77 Stony Brook
83 UC Santa Cruz
83 Iowa
89 Buffalo
97 Colorado
105 Arizona
105 Oregon
105 Utah
115 Rutgers
121 Kansas
121 Missouri

Literally ~1/3 of all AAU members are ranked below FSU in the US News rankings. Ergo, the US News rankings have ZERO affect on AAU qualification or membership.




Research AwardsCompound Growth Rate 2002-2022Total $ Increase 2002-2022202220212020201920182017201620152014201320122011201020092008200720062005200420032002
FSU3.56%$139,500,000$287,400,000$275,000,000$250,100,000$233,600,000$226,000,000$210,376,625$190,074,661$200,828,450$230,132,510$200,200,000$190,300,000$203,500,000$215,300,000$200,000,000$195,800,000$193,000,000$190,000,000$162,700,000$182,700,000$161,800,000$147,900,000
UF4.90%$647,800,000$1,085,000,000$861,000,000$900,700,000$776,200,000$837,600,000$686,000,000$724,000,000$706,800,000$701,697,045$619,000,000$644,400,000$619,123,221$678,000,000$574,000,000$561,600,000$583,000,000$518,800,000$494,000,000$470,000,000$458,100,000$437,200,000
UCF4.85%$109,920,838$185,320,838$212,900,000$204,000,000$192,100,000$183,120,000$148,790,000$145,800,000$133,400,000$145,600,000$113,000,000$128,900,000$106,600,000$133,300,000$121,700,000$122,800,000$121,400,000$104,400,000$103,600,000$82,800,000$88,800,000$75,400,000
USF5.21%$338,102,310$546,000,000$568,000,000$535,400,000$525,000,000$558,000,000$475,200,000$458,506,047$441,000,000$429,000,000$413,631,188$411,061,232$391,800,356$394,065,662$380,325,875$360,169,573$308,429,278$310,150,152$287,227,601$290,108,101$254,748,747$207,897,690
FIU5.87%$124,863,915$188,763,915$310,000,000$196,600,000$157,000,000$140,918,000$126,653,706$116,365,781$118,050,621$115,844,100$102,975,212$100,800,000$104,600,000$100,500,000$88,800,000$72,800,000$90,400,000$91,400,000$78,900,000$62,100,000$75,500,000$63,900,000

NIH award grants FY23


UF $114 Million
Miami $64 Million
USF $57 Million
FSU $29 Million
UCF $6.9 million

How is FSU doing under President Barron?

I also haven't seen any clear movement or acknowledgement of the lack of research at the College of Medicine or how to improve the quality of our College of Engineering. I also don't understand why we are allowing schools like USF to add Pharmacy, FIU to add Physician's Assistant and FAMU and UCF try to add Dentistry programs and we aren't seeking out any of these programs ourselves. Programs like Physical Therapy, Occupational Therapy and Physician's Assistant would fit in well with Nursing and Medicine and there are jobs to be had and quality salaries to be earned in these fields. I get why there's no Pharmacy effort due to FAMU having one, but if a new Dentistry program is to be added, shouldn't it be at one of the state's pre-eminent universities that does a better job than these competitor schools at preparing their students to pass their respective state licensure exams?


Research expenditures as of 2020 from the National Science Foundation:



#26 UF $942 million (which is going to be the biggest because of state funding for IFAS and Shands)
#75 FSU $350 million
#77 USF $333 million
#105 UCF $239 million
#106 FIU $236 million
#197 FAU $53 million
#221 FAMU $41 million
#222 UWF $40 million

Since 2011, FSU's expenditures have gone up 52%. UF's have gone up 27%. USF's have gone down by -16%. I also found it interesting is that USF's research #'s fell off a cliff a couple of years ago and continue to go down. That was pretty surprising to me, since they have a full research based medical school that has been around for decades. They were at $557 million just two years prior. I wonder if that had something to do with their satellite campuses being spun off.

The following AAU members are lower than FSU:

#78 Missouri
#79 Dartmouth
#98 Stony Brook U.
#114 Tufts U.
#116 Tulane
#124 Rice U.
#154 Oregon
#185 Brandeis U.

FSU is also very close to the following:

#70 Kansas
#66 Rochester

I really think we are getting there.



McCollough has said a couple times that we need to be around $500M. I think he will get us there too. He wants a big increase in NIH grants because that matters to the AAU.


2) Michigan - 1,673,862
7) UCLA - 1,392,941
8) Wisconsin - 1,363,931
16) Maryland - 1,103,062
20) Minnesota - 1,042,382
22) Penn State - 991,923
24) Ohio State - 968,260
27) USC - 941,198
29) Northwestern - 874,671
37) Indiana - 728,554
38) Michigan State - 713,197
39) Illinois - 689,176
40) Rutgers - 688,077
41) Purdue - 687,144
52) Iowa - 538,583
.......
81) Nebraska - 320,463
119) Nebraska Med School - 202,406

The separate administrative structure and counting of the Nebraska medical school played a large role in the university's expulsion from the AAU.



That is a great listing.

The ACC Conference currently has 5 AAU Research Universities (DUKE ,UNC, PITT, GIT and UVA).

Annual Research expenditures by each of the 5 ACC (AAU) schools are listed below:

DUKE: $ 1,196,638.
UNC: $ 1,159,725.
PITT: $ 1,105,532.
GIT: $ 1,048,988.
UVA: $ 652,002.

The ACC schools research expenditures compare well with the B1G AAU schools listed in a previous post. However, the ACC needs to get more AAU schools such as FSU.



Top 10 NIH Funding (FY 2022):

#1 Johns Hopkins: $839.9 million
#2 UCSF: $823.8 million
#3 Pitt: $675.4 million
#4 Duke: $672.5 million
#5 Penn: $668.4
#6 Stanford: $651.7 million
#7 Michigan: $644.3 million
#8 Leidos Biomedical Research: $625.1 million
#9 Washington Univ (St. Louis): $620.6 million
10 Columbia: $616.8 million



I believe NIH it is a component in the NSF report.

However, NIH funding can be a significant part of a Universities overall annual research expenditures.

Universities with outstanding Research Medical Schools can usually attract NIH sponsored funding.

US News "Americas Best Graduate Schools" 2023-2024 just released their ranking review 4/25/23.

US News Top 15 Research Medical Schools are listed below:

#1 Johns Hopkins University
#2 University of Pennsylvania
#3 Harvard University
#4 University of California (SF)
#4 Washington University (St. Louis) (tie)
#6 Columbia University
#7 Stanford University
#7 Yale University (tie)
#9 Duke University
#9 University of Michigan (tie)
#11 University of Pittsburgh
#12 Northwestern University
#13 New York University
#14 Cornell University
#14 Mayo Clinic School of Medicine (tie)