AAU review

https://csnbbs.com/thread-855636.html

This is a leaked document from the AAU to Nebraska that shows who was in line.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/87899-u-of-nebraska-aau-membership-review.html

Based on the Georgia Tech invite, I’m going to guess that when a non-AAU crosses the 50th percentile becoming better than an average AAU school, then changes will be made. There were only 3 FBS schools above the 25%. Otherwise there is a lot of history and inertia to overcome with few AAU schools down in Nebraska territory. Nebraska and 3 other AAU members (assuming one is Syracuse) were ranked far below the rest, and are probably the only schools at risk for being booted any time in the near future. Non-FBS schools are at the front of the line to move in as replacements, but the FBS schools were listed as follows:

UAB
Utah
Wake Forest
—-25th Percentile——
Miami
Cincinnati
Colorado State
Oregon State
New Mexico
Hawaii
UConn
—-AAU Member—-
ASU
USF
UMASS
VT
NC State
Oklahoma
——AAU Member——
FSU
Louisville
Kentucky
NM State
Notre Dame
Mississippi
South Carolina
Houston
——AAU——-
Utah State
Nevada
——Nebraska—— 



Oklahoma would need 50 years of steady improvement to make the cut. AAU lite schools are research intensive, graduate research intensive - AAU lite would be NC State, VT, Cincy, UGa, UAB, and USF. My guess is that Kansas, then Mizzou are in the most "trouble". I also suspect that home state politics plays a role meaning that if UVa does not support VT, or UNC and Duke do not support NC State, that you have little to no chance. 

The Nebraska ranking list is interesting as among the AAU schools but not current members are

(1 & 2 are grad schools, not eligible)

31 Yesheva (R2)
37 Dartmouth (R2)
40 UAB
43 Tufts
43 UMBC (R2)
48 Utah
52 UC Santa Cruz
55 RPI (R2)
57 Wake Forest (R2)
59 Miami (FL)
61 UIC
62 Cincy
64 Colorado State
67 Oregon State
68 GWU
69 New Mexico
72 Wayne State
72 UC Riverside


Great find. Fairly similar to the 2010 ARWU rankings, which listed 139 US universities (excluding all the medical schools from ARWU). For then non-AAU members, here's how the rankings match up. Big discrepancies in bold:

School = AAU rank / ARWU rank (adjusted for med schools)
Rockefeller = 1/26 (not eligible)
UCSF = 2/17 (not eligible)
Boston = 37/43
Arizona St = 87/45
Utah = 49/46
Ga Tech = 31/54-66
NC St = 91/54-66
Ore St = 67/54-66
Georgia = 110/54-66
Tufts = 43/54-66
UC Riverside = 72/54-66
UC Sant Cruz = 52/54-66
Hawaii = 79/54-66
UMass = 90/54-66
Miami = 59/54-66
Colo St = 64/67-82
Dartmouth = 37/67-82
Florida St = 94/67-82
UAB = 40/67-82
UConn = 81/67-82
Delaware = 83/67-82
Illinois-Chicago = 61/67-82
VCU = 78/67-82
Rensselaer = 55/83-102
GW = 68/83-102
New Mexico = 69/83-102
Cincy = 62/83-102
Houston = 104/83-102
Kentucky = 98/83-102
Notre Dame = 99/83-102
South Carolina = 103/83-102
USF = 87/83-102
Vermont = 79/83-102
Wash St = 112/83-102
Yeshiva = 31/83-102
Clemson = 123/103-125
Kansas St = 123/103-125
Georgetown= 83/103-125
Saint Louis = 110/103-125
Suny Albany = 85/103-125
Temple = 121/103-125
Alaska = 76/103-125
Nevada = 105/103-125
New Hampshire = 102/103-125
Oklahoma = 91/103-125
Rhode Island = 115/103-125
Wake Forest = 57/103-125
Wayne St = 72/103-125
Northeastern = 121/126-139
Wyoming = 117/126-139
Utah St = 105/126-139


If you go to the NSF website https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd you will see the closest rough numbers to what AAU uses TODAY. Their metrics evolved over 2009-10-11-12 in part due to the Nebraska problem. AAU does not go by all Research and Development, but this gives you one rough ranking. They are closer to the Government money rankings, but to get what AAU actually uses of that you have to know how much Agriculture programs have been discounted. Put simply if you are not competing against the entire pool for the money, that money is discounted. The land grants are disadvantaged that way, but the disadvantage can be cured with Medical and Vet School - moreso the Med School. Then you have take those numbers and look at them against the Graduate school numbers to get a "punching weight" so to speak. Graduate programs outside the hard sciences don't really count for squat.

School - Current Government Rank 16 - 2007 Government Rank - Spread over time - Current All Dollars Research (Includes Private Money) -

UAB - 36 -32 - a drop of 4 spots over a decade -42 Major Research Hospital
GT - 55 - 48 - a drop of 7 spots over a decade -25 Huge Major Private Research Investment
Miami - 56 - 57 - a rise of 1 over a decade -62 Major Research Hospital
NCSU - 58 - 74 - a rise of 16 over a decade -47 Major Research Vet Center
ASU - 61 - 72 - a rise of 11 over a decade -44 No Hospital
VT - 66-82 - a rise of 16 over a decade -43 Built A Hospital With Private Entity Last Decade
Kansas - 79 - 69 - a drop of 10 over a decade -79 Has Medical Center, but is sliding down the list
Cincy - 92 - 61 - a drop of 31 over a decade -52 Has Medical Center, Government Money Is Sliding - Private Very Strong
Mizzou - 93- 78 - a drop of 15 over a decade -89 Has Medical and Vet School and still a huge drop
Neb - 104 - 111 - a drop of 7 over a decade -80 You see the AAU's problem with Nebraska when you see these numbers together
Clemson - 140 - 107 - a rise of 33 over a decade -109 Perhaps the most impressive rise of a university over the last decade in the US
Syracuse - 197 - 176 - a rise of 21 over a decade -158 Has not been hard science research university in decades.


These are the closest discernable metrics you will see. To handicapped on a per professor per grad student basis, you would need to dig into actual enrollments. That's for someone's master's thesis.

As far as raw grad students go you get:

@ 12,000 ASU
@11,000 GT/Cincy
@9,400 NCSU
@9,000 Kansas
@7,500 UAB
@7,200 Syracuse/VT
@7,000 Mizzou
@6,000 Miami
@5,000 Nebraska/Clemson