Friday, April 11, 2014

College of Engineering (COE) misc. facts and figures

With the talk of a split in the COE, just some great information on the topic.

Eng. programs at Fl. State universities

NoleOne
4/9/2014

"What universities in the Florida state university system have been designated "preeminent" by Florida Statute and eligible for additional funding to become nationally prominent?

1. Florida State University
2. University of Florida 

As of 1994, what universities in the Florida state university system were classified by The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching as Research Universities I?

1. Florida State University
2. University of Florida 

What universities in the Florida state university system are currently classified as "RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)" by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education?

1. Florida State University
2. University of Florida 
3. University of Central Florida 
4. University of South Florida 

What universities in the Florida state university system are currently classified as  "RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)" by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education?

1. Florida Atlantic University
2. Florida International University

What universities in the Florida state university system have their own engineering program?

1. University of Florida 
2. University of Central Florida 
3. University of South Florida 
4. Florida International University 
5. University of North Florida
6. Florida Gulf Coast University
7. Florida Polytechnic University 
8. Florida Atlantic University 
9. University of West Florida 

What universities in the Florida state university system do not have their own engineering program?

1. Florida State University
2. Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University 
3. New College of Florida "
 
MacNole
4/9/2014
 
"1.  FSU had the first Rhodes Scholar in Florida.
2.  FSU had the first female Rhodes Scholar in Florida.
3.  FSU won the first chapter of Phi Beta Kappa in Florida.
4.  FSU is the oldest operating institution of higher learning in Florida.
5.  FSU was determined to be the "Most Efficient" university in the United States by US News for two years running.
6.  FSU was selected as a "Budget Ivy" by the NYTimes.
7.  FSU won the National High Magnetic Field Lab from MIT - and kept it.
8.  FSU was the origin of commercially viable Taxol - which treats breast cancer.
9.  FSU was determined to be a "preeminent university" by the Florida Legislature.    "
 
 
NoleOne
4/6/2014
 
"One big reason why FSU supports splitting the Engineering School:  Poor performance in the rankings.

Did you know that the FAMU/FSU College of Engineering is ranked #102 in the U.S. News rankings?  That's simply unacceptable for a premier research institution. If FSU's primary goal is to become an elite academic institution, then it can never reach its goal being anchored down by a badly ranked engineering school run by FAMU. That's reality.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/florida-am-university-florida-state-university-02215"
 
"Another reason?  Poor performance in research.

The FAMU/FSU College of Engineering currently has annual research expenditures of $11 million.  Annual research expenditures peaked in '04 at around $19 million.
http://www.eng.fsu.edu/prospective/graduate/research_centers.html
http://www.eng.fsu.edu/about/milestones.html

By comparison, NC State engineering has $154 million in annual research expenditures.

http://www.eng.fsu.edu/about/milestones.html

Georgia Tech? $689 million.

UF?  $63 million.

Even UCF has annual research expenditures of $22 million.

http://cecs.ucf.edu/facts.php

Whether you like it or not, that's a complete and total failure by the FAMU/FSU College of Engineering.  Those are facts.

And the Democrat is being intellectually dishonest by leaving those facts out of the discussion.  "
 
 
"
In fact, the following schools have engineering programs:

University of Florida
University of Central Florida
University of South Florida
Embry Riddle Aeronautical University 
Florida Institute of Technology
FAMU/ FSU 
Florida Atlantic University
University of Miami
Florida International University
University of North Florida
The University of West Florida
Florida Gulf Coast University

Again, there is no reason why FAMU can't maintain an engineering program in the same city, especially if the two institution have different missions.  "
 
 
"FAMU's law school wasn't simply restored.  FAMU's new law school is much more comprehensive than it was in 1968.  The Democrat continues to ignore the fact that the FAMU law school was down to 5 students when it closed in 1968.  The new FAMU law school is literally 100 times bigger than what it was in 1968.  Net gain to FAMU.

FSU's Engineering School was taken away in 1973.  By your own reasoning, FAMU "stole" half of FSU's engineering program in 1982 when the college was formed.  By your own reasoning, FSU's engineering school be restored and FAMU's discontinued completely.  But that's not even the deal here.  FAMU gets to keep the Engineering Program.  Net gain to FAMU."
 
"What could be more crafty than FAMU complaining about a deal that would continue funding FAMU at the level of a 2,500 student engineering school when it can only contribute 400 students to the school?  The only way that FAMU can run an accredited engineering school comprised of 2,500 students is by forcing another institution into a situation where the majority of the students come from the other institution.  How is that equitable?

The fact that the vast majority of the engineering school's budget is borne by FSU and 85% of the students comes from FSU is yet another reason why FAMU shouldn't be allowed to run a joint program with FSU.  It's a completely unfair situation for FSU. "
 
 
TampaNole
4/11/2014
 
"Is anyone aware that FAMU's total enrollment has decreased almost 40% since 2010?? "
 
NoleOne
 
"Yes.

http://news.wfsu.org/post/famu-sees-sharp-enrollment-drop-fall-2012

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/florida/2014/01/18/4619555/

http://food-management.com/colleges-amp-universities/enrollment-decline-leads-loss-dining-surplus-famu

http://www.thefamuanonline.com/opinions/enrollment-decline-affects-famu-finances-1.2837839#.U0gXYlVdVks

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-30/features/os-famu-ammons-graduation-criticism-20120630_1_graduation-rate-james-ammons-famu

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2007-09-09/news/0709080197_1_troubled-famu-james-ammons-state-school"
 
 
NoleOne
4/11/2014
 
"Here's a quote from the below report from August, 1971:

"FSU was the second public institution in Florida to offer engineering.  It has a "stand-alone true Engineering SCiences curriculum at both undergraduate and graduate levels.  ... The State plans to phase out this program at the end of 1971-72, while transferring some remainders to another public institution...."

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED078801.pdf

Apparently is was an excellent program that suffered from lack of investment from the state.  You can see from the report that the State hired "consultants" who discontinued FSU's program and gave the parts to UF and USF under the guise that they could educate students at a per student cost less than FSU.

And FAMU is ticked off about their law school?"
 
 
 
LeaveBrittanyAlone
4/9/2014
 
"In 2013 FSU had 2,183 total (246 grad/doctoral) engineering students. In 2012 FAMU had 405 total (26 grad/doctoral) engineering students.

Using the proposed $13M figure for FSU and $10M for FAMU, that gives these funding figures (per student):

FSU: $5,955 per student ($52,845 per grad/doctoral)
FAMU: $24,691 per student ($384,615 per grad/doctoral)"

NoleOne
 
"Heck, FSU has a African American graduation rate that is 32% higher than FAMU.  Take a look:  "While universities across the country struggle, graduating just 41 percent of black students within six years, FSU is bucking the trend - and garnering national attention from institutions that want to do the same.  Nearly 71 percent of black students graduate from FSU within six years, a rate that exceeds the state average by 17 percentage points and the national average by 30 percentage points." "

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