Wednesday, January 17, 2024

Big 10 vs SEC info



 Conference Comparison Data/Graphs













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 WHAT IS CIC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Academic_Alliance

The BTAA's collaborative efforts span the academic enterprise of its members, including:

  

https://edcircuit.com/how-the-big-ten-academic-alliance-is-driving-higher-education/

https://bigten.org/sports/2018/6/6/trads-big10-trads-html.aspx

Since opening in the fall of 2013, the Big Ten conference center hosts more than 300 meetings annually for member institutions, Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly CIC) related committees and coaches’ groups. 

While academics have always played an integral role in the conference, presidents of the Big Ten member institutions formalized the primacy of academics with the establishment of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the Committee on Institutional Cooperation) in 1958. The Big Ten Academic Alliance is an academic consortium of all Big Ten universities. Annually, the schools currently constituting the Big Ten Academic Alliance produced over $10 billion in funded research, $5 billion more than any other conference.


https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/big-ten-academic-alliance-plans-big-collection-across-15-libraries

For more than 60 years, Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA) member schools have combined purchasing power and shared software licenses, aggregated course sharing and information technology services, and maintained an extensive faculty community. In mid-January, the library deans and directors of the BTAA announced the next step in the consortium’s collaboration: the BIG Collection, which will manage the institutions’ separate library collections as a single entity.


$$ from athletics to academics

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/less-than-1-in-every-100-of-public-athletic-departments-revenue-goes-to-academics-only-10-schools-gave-on-balance.html

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/uga-athletic-board-gives-million-university/WLKEyrfjt5lmcQ28O8SrXJ/

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/football-revenue-bolsters-athletics-academics/article_706019cc-01dd-11e6-8b16-0ba043051140.html

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/athletic-association-contributes-5-million-to-academics/article_421b12b4-5d83-11e5-a76d-5fffd0f9c685.html

https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/what-would-be-y%E2%80%99alls-reaction-to-this-scenario.885760/page-2#post-15140772

They lost AAU status about 2 1/2 months before joining officially. They were voted in while having AAU status, but that was taken away before they fully joined. The B1G had options, especially considering the reasons they lost AAU status was very cut and dry (have a medical program on their main campus, add in more non agricultural areas of study), but chose to basically not care they lost AAU status nor care that Nebraska isn’t even attempting to get back AAU status.

The B1G doesn’t care anymore about AAU status, as long as the schools they bring in, bring in a lot of money.

https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/realignment-update.723540/page-113

IF FSU can't get in the SEC, I would also be happy in the B1G.

I have followed this expansion issue for the last 15 plus years.....I promise you, the B1G values UNC and UVA over FSU. Can I prove it? No. Can you prove FSU is more valued? No. But everything I have ever read indicates UNC/UVA over FSU.

Here is the issue....you need to prioritize and consider WHY you are joining a new conference:

*Football's need for revenue. Both the P2 provide this.

*Football experience: IE recruits preference, culture, geography for fans, rivals locations, alumni location, travel location attractiveness for fans. This isn't a simple one, but I 100% believe this leans to the SEC. Maybe not as much as I believe.....but it's SEC.

*Academics: This leans B1G, but not NEAR as much as people keep repeating (because someone told them, but they really don't know). I can talk research and FSU's history all day long. I promise you, like with the decision to join the ACC........academics stated a narrative, it was repeated by fans, it wasn't true. Nor is the BIG narrative. YES, the big is better for academics, but not near enough to make this the key driver for the decision.

*Demographics: All demographic trends in this country have people leaving the northeast/mid west and heading to the southeast. IT makes no sense to tie our future to these areas that are shrinking.

*Other sports: SEC and it isn't close. I don't believe "they will be fine"....but I can accept "I don't care"...but make that choice specifically....'they'll be fine' is a weak review of this. It's not accurate.

*Fans preference: Again, no way to prove for certain, but I have no doubt the SEC wins this one.



I just don't see the justification for BIG over SEC. But I agree with you....I'll take either of the P2, but prefer SEC.

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SEC Schools in AAU:  Florida, Mizzou, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M (and soon Texas)


POLL

https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/which-conference-would-you-prefer-fsu-in.894385/

https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/hypothetical-in-5-years-fsu-can-move-to-any-conference-which-do-you-choose.880387/

POLL

Football, weather, recruiting (4 of 5 top states for blue chips) and proximity -- SEC has it.

Academics -- Big 10/14/16 has it over SEC (on par w/ACC, which I concur ought not to be an option). Both academic conferences average on US News rankings about 57 (ACC drops to 54 w/ND added) w/SEC only having 5 schools in Top 100 (avg. about 112). Obviously, USC/UCLA will improve Big 10 avg.

Cities/locales -- mixed bag depending upon preferences. LA (soon)/MSP/Chi/DC/Det/NYC for Big 10, some nice small towns for SEC along w/Austin (soon) and Nashville.

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Over the last 10 years here is the number of national championships each conference has won in 19 of the sports that we have not including beach volleyball.
SEC-53
ACC-26
BIG10-8
BIG12-26
PAC12-56
Non P5- 21
The BIG 10 is by far the worst P5 conference athletically. The Big 10 has won 1 football natty, 1 in womens soccer, 4 in volleyball, 1 in womens cross country and 1 in mens swimming. Having USC and UCLA will definitely help them but the SEC is also getting much better with Texas and Oklahoma.
It doesn’t matter what conference we’re in. We’ll be at least top 15 and maybe top 10 in public universities by the end of the decade just because of the way Florida is growing. Doesn’t make any sense to join the BIG 10 and destroy our athletic department when we could go to the SEC and be great in academics and athletics.

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Overall the SEC can claim 42 national championships and the Big ten 41. Seems pretty close however in my lifetime I just remember every time the Big ten came down south for a significant bowl game they got that *** whooped. And in the last decade and a half it hasn't even been close. Southern teams have dominated. Check this out:

2021: Georgia
2020: Alabama
2019: LSU
*2018: Clemson
2017: Alabama
*2016: Clemson
2015: Alabama
*2014: Ohio State
*2013: Florida State
2012: Alabama
2011: Alabama
2010: Auburn
2009: Alabama
2008: Florida
2007: LSU
2006: Florida

So I would rather join a conference that produces national champions.

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Big ten versus Southern football in national championships over the last decade and a half:

2021: Georgia
2020: Alabama
2019: LSU
*2018: Clemson
2017: Alabama
*2016: Clemson
2015: Alabama
*2014: Ohio State
*2013: Florida State
2012: Alabama
2011: Alabama
2010: Auburn
2009: Alabama
2008: Florida
2007: LSU
2006: Florida

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Michigan has 1 national championship in the last 75 years. Penn State won 2 in a 5 year period 35 years ago. Yes Michigan got to the playoffs two years in a row but got destroyed by Georgia and then lost to TCU who then got destroyed by Georgia. Michigan will probably continue to make the playoffs but won’t win anything.
The 4 BIG 10 teams that can win a championship are Ohio State Michigan Penn State and USC. UCLA isn’t going to win a championship in football. I’ll include Nebraska just because of what they did in the 90s but they’re not winning anything either. So that would be 5 in the BIG 10 and 8 in the SEC. The 8 SEC teams that can win a championship are Alabama Auburn uf Georgia LSU Tennessee Texas Oklahoma. I won’t include Texas AM cause they haven’t won anything in 80 years but if they got the right coach they’d have a better chance than Michigan, Nebraska and Penn State. They have too much in state talent, money, fan support to not be good and they’re in a superior conference. All of them have won championships more recently than Michigan Penn State and Nebraska.
The SEC wins championships. The BIG 10 has the potential to win championships but doesn’t.

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Here's a summary of two metrics: alumni and student enrollment. Can't find a breakdown of Booster members.

If we focus just on the three core metro urban regions (not even including their full metro areas but just 7 counties -- Tampa (Hboro/Pinellas), Orlando (Orange/Seminole), Miami-FtL-Palm Beach (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach)...

those counties represent 40% of FSU alumni in Florida and 48% of FSU students from Florida.

If we look at all counties on the I-4 corridor and south ... actually, let's just go with the coastal counties, plus Polk and Osceola ...

those account for 54% of FSU alumni in Florida and 64% of FSU students from Florida.

AlumniStudents
Broward17,3683,653
Miami-Dade14,3463,572
Hillsborough14,2412,710
Palm Beach13,8712,934
Orange12,3442,240
Pinellas10,8281,478
Seminole5,798938
Brevard5,621738
Volusia4,056493
Polk3,590546
Sarasota3,585784
Lee3,375720
Manatee3,019582
Collier1,960673
Martin1,892306
Saint Lucie1,349247
Indian River1,273205
Osceola1,065321
Monroe741148
Charlotte678124

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Hopefully, FSU has learned its lesson from when it chose to fly north over the SEC to play sport in the ACC. After 30+ years of being in the ACC, other than Clemson and Miami, FSU has absolutely nothing in common with any other ACC conference member.

Yes, I lived in the northeast and been to games at BC, Pitt, Notre Dame, PSU, Maryland, MSU, Michigan, OSU, Cincinnati, Rutgers, and Nebraska. In the Northeast, college football is an after thought. Pro football is everything. Yes, I know the Midwest is not the Northeast, but the Big 10 footprint is moving NE too.

MSU, Michigan, PSU, and OSU fine on occasion in the fall, please not winter. I bet OSU and its fans enjoyed the Northwestern road trip last year to Chicago. LOL.

Notre Dame, like Northwestern, is a road trip to Chicago. No need for a game - just go to Chicago. Same for BC, just go to Boston. Anything else, no thanks. Nebraska was fun, when Nebraska was in the Big 12 and recruiting Texas big and playing its main rivals Oklahoma and Colorado. Not anymore.

There are 10 SEC schools within a 500 mile radius of Tallahassee. FSU is in the heart and heartland of the SEC. FSU plays southern college football and belongs in the SEC. In the SEC, FSU in no time will be in dog fights with many SEC rivals, to which travel wont be an issue. People are excited about the home and home with Alabama and Georgia and rightfully so.

But, like the ACC, with zero rivals, there will be no Big 10 rivals, just distance and cold, rainy, dreary and snowy weather. It is one thing to live in that nasty weather. It is a whole different story when you chose to subject yourself to it for fun. Rather than enjoying cowgirl boots and keg stands at southern tailgates, the FSU faithful will be freezing their you know whats off.

FSU is an SEC fish lost in the ACC basketball ocean. If FSU joins the Big 10, FSU will still be an SEC football fish, but now it will be lost in the Midwest tundra, frozen stone cold having, once again, nothing in common with any of its conference member schools while continuing to lose out on southern recruits who want to play in the SEC.

The decision is easy and clear and the writing is written in bold on the wall. Join the SEC!

In the SEC, FSU can stay in its natural southern football lane and enjoy both home and away games without having to endure ridiculous travel to the north into the frigid cold. And, be in a conference with a whole lot in common, and in a conference in which the southern kids and recruits want to play.

FSU tried and experimented with the ACC north lane.

How did that work out?

Great under the BCS, when the ACC was only 9 members, and before big TV contracts. Now after northern ACC expansion, big TV payouts, and with the CP coming, everyone wants out and for good reason.

Hopefully, FSU has learned its lesson with the north lane.

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https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/threads/b10-does-not-make-sense.344431/page-2

https://dawgpost.com/s/4506/power-s...secs-fight-for-the-future-of-college-football

OU and Texas will be in SEC
USC and UCLA will be in Big 10

MOST-WATCHED COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS 2012-2021 (TOTAL VIEWERS)​

1. Alabama1,027,064,000SEC
2. Ohio State790,299,000Big Ten
3. Clemson579,106,462ACC
4. Georgia571,816,559SEC
5. Notre Dame561,791,000IND/ACC
6. Michigan520,873,532Big Ten
7. Oklahoma488,452,372Big 12
8. LSU473,400,462SEC
9. Auburn432,296,000SEC
10. Florida State396,445,110ACC
11. Florida379,689,796SEC
12. Michigan State365,973,720Big Ten
13. Wisconsin362,327,715Big Ten
14. Penn State347,617,000Big Ten
15. Oregon344,256,396Pac 12
16. Texas A&M319,785,372SEC
17. Texas316,655,916Big 12
18. USC291,251,988Pac 12
19. Oklahoma State260,682,996Big 12
20. Nebraska260,098,559Big Ten


https://dawgpost.com/s/4506/power-struggle-inside-the-big-ten-and-secs-fight-for-the-future-of-college-football

MOST-WATCHED COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS 2012-2021 (TOTAL VIEWERS)

1. Alabama1,027,064,000SEC
2. Ohio State790,299,000Big Ten
3. Clemson579,106,462ACC
4. Georgia571,816,559SEC
5. Notre Dame561,791,000IND/ACC
6. Michigan520,873,532Big Ten
7. Oklahoma488,452,372Big 12
8. LSU473,400,462SEC
9. Auburn432,296,000SEC
10. Florida State396,445,110ACC
11. Florida379,689,796SEC
12. Michigan State365,973,720Big Ten
13. Wisconsin362,327,715Big Ten
14. Penn State347,617,000Big Ten
15. Oregon344,256,396Pac 12
16. Texas A&M319,785,372SEC
17. Texas316,655,916Big 12
18. USC291,251,988Pac 12
19. Oklahoma State260,682,996Big 12
20. Nebraska260,098,559Big Ten


https://thesportseconomist.com/analyzing-college-football-television-ratings/

As an economist, when I study data like this at SportsMediaWatch.com, I immediately want to make sure what is being looked at is an “apples to apples” comparison. The thing that immediately stood out to me was there are some games on stations like ESPNU or FS1, or FS2 that dramatically bring down the average rating for a team.

A complete picture of television ratings should include all twelve (or more) games that a team participates in. Unfortunately, this is not something we can figure out because of a lack of access to all relevant data. I suggest that games on the SEC Network or the Big Ten Network draw considerably more viewers than a game on the Longhorn Network. This, in turn, probably dwarfs the number of fans who are watching a game on K-State HDTV, which is internet-only.

But since games on all of these avenues (along with the Pac 12 Network, regional Fox Sports networks, syndicated ACC games, pay per view games, etc.) are not rated, it seems unfair to cherry-pick the games that warrant a broadcast on CBS, ABC, ESPN, FOX or other major networks and only count those games as an indicator of the popularity of a team. For example, Florida ranks seventh in the ratings TexAgs.com compiled, but they were only on a rated television broadcast five times this year in the eleven games. Meanwhile, Oklahoma was on a rated broadcast eleven times in the twelve games. If games against Kansas and Iowa State were on a station that did not report TV ratings, OU’s average television rating would go up fairly dramatically.

To correct this bias, I assumed that there were no viewers for games that were not rated telecasts and then recalculated the average rating per team. I realize that this is an imperfect method. Still, for the most part (with notable exceptions such as the Texas A&M vs. South Carolina game on the SEC Network), the games that do not warrant a broadcast on an established network will draw a small enough viewing audience that assuming a value of zero for these games will only bias these numbers slightly.

I would encourage suggestions on other ways to correct this bias, but I did not want to start guessing television audiences for these non-televised games. I feel that the teams most adversely affected by this correction are SEC and Big Ten teams, as the SEC and Big Ten Networks are probably drawing the most viewers for games where ratings are not available.

The TexAgs data suggests the following average ratings (I believe I have replicated this correctly).

  1. SEC = 4.52 Mil 2.  B10 =2.69 Mil, 3. ACC=2.64 Mil, 4. P 12 = 2.23 Mil, 5.  B12 = 2.01 Mil

The adjusted data suggests the following ratings:

1.  SEC = 2.58 Mil,  2.  B10 = 1.62 Mil,   3.  B12 = 1.57 Mil,   4.  ACC = 1.41 Mil,  5.  P12 = 1.34 Mil

Finally, there are twelve SEC teams in the Top 25, seven Big Ten teams, three Pac 12 teams, two ACC teams, and one independent team in the original data. There are ten SEC teams, five Big Ten teams, five Big 12 teams, three Pac 12 teams, one ACC team, and one independent in the adjusted ratings. This data will have a slight “pro-Big 12 bias” as over seventy-eight percent of Big 12 games were rated while other conferences are between fifty-three and sixty percent rated. To reference the examples I pointed out above, Oklahoma finished 15th in average TV rating (up from 26th) in these adjusted ratings, while Florida finished 22nd (down from 7th).

All of my data is available on my webpage (see the bottom of my page for the links ), and any errors in calculating the number of games each team had rated are my own. Here is the revised Top 25.

(Assumes no viewers for non-rated games)

Team                           # of average Viewers  Conference      # of rated games

  1. Alabama                               6.02                 SEC                 11/13 = 84.6%
  2. Florida State                        5.73                 ACC                12/13 = 92.3%
  3. Notre Dame                         4.20                 IND                 12/12 = 100%
  4. Auburn                                  3.89                 SEC                 9/12 = 75%
  5. Ohio State                            3.81                 B10                 10/13 = 76.9%
  6. Mississippi                          3.35                 SEC                 10/12 = 83.3%
  7. Mississippi State                3.04                 SEC                 8/12 = 66.7%
  8. Michigan State                   2.71                 B10                 8/12 = 66.7%
  9. Georgia                                 2.62                 SEC                 7/12 = 58.3%
  10. LSU                                        2.62                 SEC                 8/12 = 66.7%
  11. Texas A&M                          2.56                 SEC                 8/12 = 66.7%
  12. Michigan                              2.52                 B10                 8/12 = 66.7%
  13. Oregon                                  2.31                 P12                  10/13 = 76.9%
  14. Missouri                               2.28                 SEC                 8/13 = 61.5%
  15. Oklahoma                            2.17                 B12                 11/12 = 91.7%
  16. Southern California           2.11                 P12                  10/12 = 83.3%
  17. Wisconsin                            2.08                 B10                 10/13 = 76.9%
  18. UCLA                                     2.07                 P12                  10/12 = 83.3%
  19. Nebraska                               2.01                 B10                 8/12 = 66.7%
  20. Baylor                                     1.97                 B12                 11/12 = 91.7%
  21. Arkansas                               1.94                 SEC                 8/12 = 66.7%
  22. Florida                                    1.93                 SEC                 5/11 = 45.5%
  23. TCU                                         1.80                 B12                 10/12 = 83.3%
  24. West Virginia                       1.73                 B12                 9/12 = 75%
  25. Ks State and Texas (tie)     1.72                 B12                 10/12 = 83.3%

 Avg Ratings according to rated Data                   Avg TV Ratings “adjusted.” 

  1. SEC = 4.52 M                                                       1.  SEC = 2.58 M
  2. B10 =2.69 M                                                         2.  B10 = 1.62 M
  3. ACC = 2.64 M                                                      3.  B12 = 1.57 M
  4. P12 = 2.23 M                                                        4.  ACC = 1.41 M
  5. B12 = 2.01 M                                                        5.  P12 = 1.34 M
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